Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by UncleJohnsBand, May 3, 2006.

  1. amarulucky

    amarulucky New Member

    response

    It was written in the very first thread. it ain't any different than giving all the native americans all the casinos. there are many orginizations that their profits go to help people in need. yea, u guys are definately the intellectual supior, BULLSH*T. white, mexican, arab mix.
  2. Secs

    Secs New Member

    amarulucky; In the first post they weren't talking about cops CONTROLLING the banned substances, they were talking about an organization that SUPPORTS legalization of currently controlled substances. Huge difference. Slow down and realize that you may have to read the post more than once to catch the true meaning.
    BTW, do any of the rest of you need swear words to convey the true meaning and content of your ideals and thoughts? I don't think I do, I also don't think anyone else does either.
  3. Dedbr

    Dedbr Domestic War Veteran

    sec....

    Thanks for the input there, Friar sec.... :rolleyes:


    Them nasty ole swear words are an effective way to convey feeling and thrust in effective writing, so yeah, I use them. :D

    Do I need them? I think so. I don't want to be limited by a smaller mind than my own......


    Somewhere in Ded Land......using all the words.... :toocool:
  4. Niteshift

    Niteshift L.E.O. in Good Standing

    yea, u guys are definately the intellectual supior, BULLSH*T.

    The irony of someone writing like that in an attempt to be sarcastic about that topic is almost too much. :laugh:
  5. melman

    melman New Member

    Personally I do not want other drugs legalized. At one time or the other I have tried many others.Most were problems just waiting to brew. Mj Is the only "drug" that I have had little or no problems with(this includes alcohol).
    I still say that MJ is widely misunderstood by the public as a whole. I have even seen an episode of "cops"where the LEOs let someone go just b/c it was only pot,more than once.
    I know somewhere in this thread I saw references about the ease of obtaining alcohol as a youngster... Yeah probably the same mentality or similarity of bootleggers as applied to your local dealers that deal to kids. I grew up in the 60's and alcohol wasn't all that easy to come by where I grew up and although pot use wasn't all that prevalent in my small community it was still FAR easier to get than alcohol. For one thing once you did score you could grow your own,from then on.
    If pot were legalized tomorrow I seriously doubt that seeds would come in the packaging. Although you could probably get seeds from somewhere, if you were inclined to grow your own.Which I would rather do just so the Mj companies wouldn't do what some of the tobacco co.'s have done with additives.
  6. troublemaker420

    troublemaker420 New Member


    First of all, you STILL have very poor understanding of what LEAP is all about. it has nothing to do with police contrlloing the drug trade in any capacity whatsoever. ANd second of all, the casinos ran by Native AMerican tribes are a very unique situation which would be impossible to compare to etting the Mexican and african-Americans control the drug trade. Native American reservations are considered under the law to be sovereign nations. Yes, they are still loosely under US control, but their status is unique. The casinos are built on land owned by the tribe, within the boarders of their "sovereign nation". They are controlled by tribal government. There is very centralized control and tracking and distribution of profits. How you can compare their situation to allowing Mexican and African Americans to sell drugs is once again laughable. The situations are as different as cows and birds. They may both still be animals, but the similarities end after that.
  7. troublemaker420

    troublemaker420 New Member


    OK, I grew up in a small rural community as well, and honestly, I DID have easieraccess to alcohol than marijuana. How to score some booze was a skill most people picked up around age 14-15. It was never a problem. We ALWAYS could get it. Marijuana was a bit trickier. It was more of a taboo, and people didn't talk about it much. if you wqeren't in a select little group, you didn't even HEAR much about it.

    AS for legalization not leading to packaged seeds....DUDE...there are already PLENTY of places selling packaged cannabis seeds. Run a search sometime on "marijuana seed banks". Commercially available pot seeds can be ordered from many places around the world, with Holland and Canada leading the pack. Legalization wouldn't stop this, as even prohibition has not.
  8. melman

    melman New Member

    Duuuuuuuddddeeee!!!

    What I meant was commercial places like your local feed and seed stores. I haven't even smoked pot in months,while you seem to be "blind"to the fact that they advertise on this site!!!! lay off the stuff while you are posting OK?
    Obviously we come from different backgrounds, I grew up in the 60's &70's,and even the LEO's didn't know all that much about it where I came from. I had 2 Columbian Gold plants in my window at home then and the deputy sheriff came by one day and didn't even recognize them at that time.But it was still easier for someone underage to acquire pot than alcohol, as it is now. In both cases it is ALL in who you know. ;)

    Also The feds DO have control over whether Native Americans can operate Casinos. Case in point : the Seminoles were the last to sign a treaty, WHY DID THEY SIGN? The Feds would not allow them to have a Casino until they did.
  9. troublemaker420

    troublemaker420 New Member

    Did I deny that?
  10. Dedbr

    Dedbr Domestic War Veteran

    I'm gonna chime in on this.....

    :D with this.....when I was 12 years old, I was doing a full day of farm work and getting paid a mans wage for same.

    When I got done at the end of the day, I went to the carry out and bought my beer and cigarettes. Just walked in, set it on the counter, asked for my non-filter camel's and paid with MY money, and walked out.

    No one ever asked me for an ID because I was so tall, I guess. ;)

    With the herb, there was no store, but my money was just as good, and there seemed to be just as many places to get it at.

    Now melman, I'm from Ohio, but the part of Ohio I'm from is the part that let their kids go into bars at age 15. I hung tobacco plants in every barn damn near on the river around Ripley, Ohio, and yeah, your right, it's different in some spots around the country.

    The reason it's different tho is the people, not the laws. They raise a different breed around the river, and you know that if your from around these parts, homey. :wave:

    For the most part, we see a division in this country between intelligence and good old plain common sense. Most of the people from the Appalachian backround are a little rougher around the edges than your normal group of folks and tend to see things a little different than those "other" folks. If your smart, you'll know that.

    Hell, some of the family I am in would think nothing of shooting at each other if the situation warranted...:woohoo:

    Made for some great family reunions........ :rolleyes:


    Somewhere in Ded Land........
  11. Secs

    Secs New Member

    While the history on the kinfolk was interesting (not), what does that have to do with LEAP?

    I don't agree with LEAP because I personally don't think ALL drugs should be legalized. Pot, on the otherhand should be regulated and detected much the same as alcohol currently is regulated and detected.
  12. Niteshift

    Niteshift L.E.O. in Good Standing

    Case in point : the Seminoles were the last to sign a treaty, WHY DID THEY SIGN? The Feds would not allow them to have a Casino until they did.

    Actually, the Seminoles strong-armed the US Govt. and the State of FL. They were told no casino and the Seminoles threatened to shut down the portion of I-95 that runs through their reservation until toll booths could be constructed.
  13. amarulucky

    amarulucky New Member

    ok, i will give you that. i misread the first thread. the cops don't want to control it, our government would be the one to take it over. but you say that as if it's supposed to be any better. cops are just barely over politicians who are at the bottom of the barrel. the only thing that makes cops any better is that they get treated like shit too. not nearly as bad as most other people in this country, but they don't have it that great. by the way land is owed African Americans. what have they got for their four to five hundred years of slavery? nothin.
    ALSO. leave the illegal immigrants alone. we are all "wetbacks", unless you're Native American. Half of America used to be Mexico.
  14. amarulucky

    amarulucky New Member

    Drugs and the Next Generation

    I wonder. how would you feel about your children doing marijuana or any of the other drugs were they to be legalized? would you tell them they couldn't until a certain age or put other restriction? what affect do you think the restrictions would make on the childs decision to or not to do the drug?
  15. NSTassel

    NSTassel New Member

    I was a prosecutor for 13 years, and handled hundreds of drug cases. Now in private practice for awhile. Adults should be permitted to do as they wish. If they do something wrong as a consequence of drug use, punish--or try to--the action.
  16. Niteshift

    Niteshift L.E.O. in Good Standing

    by the way land is owed African Americans. what have they got for their four to five hundred years of slavery? nothin.

    :rolleyes:

    I'm so sick of that tired old chorus.

    I never owned a slave. My parents didn't. My grandparents, great-grandparents.......I don't owe anyone shit for slavery.

    I bet you don't personally know anyone who was a slave. Or whose parents were slaves. Probably not their grandparents either.

    Slavery ended generations ago. Read the updated memo. Stop blaming failures of today on stuff that happened 150 years ago.

    And, FYI, there were white slaves as well.



    ALSO. leave the illegal immigrants alone. we are all "wetbacks", unless you're Native American. Half of America used to be Mexico.

    You really skipped history class a lot, didn't you?

    First of all, half of the US was NOT Mexico. After the original settlement, the biggest chunk of land mass was a purchase from France (the Lousiana Purchase) in 1803.

    Mexico wasn't independant of Spain until 1821. Texas declared its independence in 1836 and it was Mexico, not the US who tried to use force to take it.

    The area acquired from Mexico as part of the war covers California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Utah. That's it.

    Those 6 states are hardly half of the US. The entire area combined is about 2,000,000 sq. kilometers. The state of Alaska alone is 1,717,854 sq. kilometers. The Louisiana Purchase bought 2,144,476 square kilometers. (Notice that number is bigger than the number from Mexico and that doesn't even include the original states and Florida) And half of present day Colorado was purchased during the Louisiana Purchase.

    California was only under Mexican rule from 1821 to 1846 when the US took it during the war.

    Utah was being settled by Mormons before the end of the war.

    Care to modify your erroneous understanding of history?
  17. Dedbr

    Dedbr Domestic War Veteran

    Well sec.....

    as usual, you don't get it, so I'll try and explain it to you... :rolleyes:

    In some parts of this country, prohibition of anything is a joke! No one pays any attention to the laws or the way there being enforced. The people I talked about are raised a different way and look at things from a completely different perspective than other Americans.

    They don't see theirselves as lawbreakers, they see theirselves as Americans who don't ask the government for a damn thing and don't care whether they like it or not. Their not ignorant hicks tho, their highly intelligent, and realize that prohibition is a joke for mindless little children that have no conception of real life and what kind of people they are trying to control with their stupid laws and even more stupid people that waste their lives trying to enforce them.

    Law enforcement deals with a lot of different strata of society, not just the sheep, but the ones who are real thinkers and also the ones who simply refuse to live as servants to a bunch of lawyers who say this is the way things are and you are going to live this way. They simply refuse. Law enforcement has to deal with these Americans on a daily basis around here, and some of our law enforcement is born and raised to think the same.

    What you make fun of, ( because of ignorance I suppose), and call kinfolk, I use as an illustration to show the mentallity of the area of the country that I live in as an example of what law enforcement faces here on a daily basis. Melman and I live in a different place that has a different mindset from the rest of the country when it comes to certain things, and prohibition is one of them.

    No government is going to come in and tell these people what to do. It's just that simple. They won't bow down.

    I can understand the frustration of the officers who face this attitude here in my area because I talk to some of them. They know they are loosing, because the people have to see something wrong with what they are doing, and they do not. They have to have a criminal mentality, and they do not. They see the government as the bad guy here, and some of the law enforcement community see the wrong of the current laws, but are hamstrung by fool lawyers in 400 dollar suits passing laws that the common man is going to ignore.

    Prohibition laws have led to the alienation of law enforcement from the very people it is supposed to be protecting! From respect and friendship, to hate and distrust, prohibition has led us to the us and them mentality that permeates or society, and has effectively destroyed any chance we had for a peaceful, ordered society.

    Yes, I believe in total legalization of all prohibited substances. Why? Because only a fool would think anything else would work!!!

    Abraham Lincoln said a prohibition law goes against everything our country was founded on, and he's been proven right. Any American who has studied the history of this country and read what the founding fathers wrote about oppresion would know that this is not what they intented us to have two hundred years later. There are a lot of people out there who know this and refuse to acknowledge that the government has the right to regulate their lives!

    They are my "kinfolk" sec. Mainly because I refuse to be grouped in with a bunch of fool's who think with something besides their brains.... ;)

    LEAP is a brilliant idea, but it will be dismissed as nonsense because of the fool's who fear that a substance could hurt someone. A substance. Alcohol and cigarettes and coffee can kill thousands every year, but no one blinks an eye, but bring up herb and it's "Save the children!" Horseshiite I say.

    I love my country dearly but I am sick to death of the destruction prohibition has wrought upon it. It is a cancer that continues to this day to destroy us and instead of cutting it out we feed it so it grows and grows and eats more of us every day. :(

    Somewhere in Ded Land....Rooting for the Seminoles....

    Oh and by the way, Shifty, don't ask sec what he thinks about indians. He's kinda biased.... ;)
  18. Niteshift

    Niteshift L.E.O. in Good Standing

    LEAP is a brilliant idea, but it will be dismissed as nonsense because of the fool's who fear that a substance could hurt someone. A substance. Alcohol and cigarettes and coffee can kill thousands every year, but no one blinks an eye, but bring up herb and it's "Save the children!" Horseshiite I say.

    If they were only about "herb", I'd have a different view.

    However there ARE some substances that are far more destructive than alcohol and cigarettes (never heard of thousands dying from coffee) that are outlawed and you know the ones I mean.

    Rooting for the Seminoles....

    I root for them too......but they really need a better quarterback this year :D
  19. amarulucky

    amarulucky New Member

    i didn't come close to blaming failures of today for follies of the past. but of course if the shoe fits. i simply stated that people should get what is owed. trust me, you wouldn't be shit if it weren't for slaves in the past, they account for a large share of our countries success. but now that i think bout it, how is it right for our government to give African Americans land that they stole from the Native Americans and Mexicans. No, what the African Americans get should come straight out of the pockets of the politicians and those that have all the power and run this country. As a matter of fact, niteshift, i do know someone whose ancestors were slaves. I'll let him know you said that they were not slaves. tell me your e-mail address and i'll pass it on to him. Mexico used to go up very close to what is now canada, maybe it wasn't half but they did have a lot of it. yes we did, buy Louisiana from france, but how do you think they aquired it? u keep trying to discredit what i say with worthless facts. bottom line is this land is stole and it belongs to the Native americans and Mexicans.
  20. Niteshift

    Niteshift L.E.O. in Good Standing

    i simply stated that people should get what is owed.

    And who said it is OWED to them?

    trust me, you wouldn't be shit if it weren't for slaves in the past, they account for a large share of our countries success.

    You might not be shit without slavery, but don't put your shortcomings off on me. :rolleyes:

    As a matter of fact, niteshift, i do know someone whose ancestors were slaves. I'll let him know you said that they were not slaves. tell me your e-mail address and i'll pass it on to him.

    Ancestors? That could be 15 generations ago. I am talking about people they PERSONALLY knew. Do YOU personally know any? Does anyone you know PERSONALLY know anyone that was a slave?


    Mexico used to go up very close to what is now canada

    You mean the Mexico that belonged to Spain?

    yes we did, buy Louisiana from france, but how do you think they aquired it?

    The same way Spain acquired Mexico or the way Mexico acquired all that territory. You act like God gave that all to Mexico in the first place. :rolleyes:

    u keep trying to discredit what i say with worthless facts.

    Worthless facts? Yeah, pointing out that what you said is false and casts a different light on the truth is so worthless. :rolleyes:

    bottom line is this land is stole and it belongs to the Native americans and Mexicans.

    It didn't belong to Mexico any more than it belonged to Spain or anyone else. And the Indians didn't believe they OWNED the land, so why do you insist they did?

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