Marijuana Possession and Paper Work

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by CheebaMonkey, Jun 21, 2003.

  1. CheebaMonkey

    CheebaMonkey Sr. Member

    From mapinc
    So I have a question for the LEO's.

    How long would you say it takes you to do the paperwork for a marijuana possession crime?

    Thanks.

    :wave:
     
  2. Exo-Lithium

    Exo-Lithium Banned

    What if Cops started attending public rally's and stuff? Ahahah sweet! :D
     
  3. hauptmann

    hauptmann Seasoned Activist

    They do. On the other side of the riot gear.
     
  4. Niteshift

    Niteshift L.E.O. in Good Standing

    "Julie" must be in the S-L-O-W program.

    It takes me less than 30 mins total, including affidavit, evidence form, submission of evidence, running copies and getting everything signed.

    On a good day, I can do it in 15-20 mins.

    Now what DOES take a long time is DUI's. I am faster than most on them and it still takes me about 2 1/2 hours. The avg. in my dept. is about 4 hours.

    So if time consumption is the issue, I guess we'd be better of legalizing DUI. Anyone in favor of that?
     
  5. CheebaMonkey

    CheebaMonkey Sr. Member

    Well, if you wanted to solely consider time consumption, and if there are as many arrests for DUI's as there are for marijuana possession, then it would save more money. Actually, there wouldn't need to be as many DUI crimes as marijuana possession crimes to save more money.

    But I really doubt that the public is gonna like people not driving sober.

    Comparing marijuana possession and DUI's is like comparing apples and oranges. Someone driving not sober is putting other innocent people at risk.

    Some who is smoking pot (or drinking beer, or smoking cigarettes) at their home is not putting anyone else at risk.

    Why exactly did you mention DUIs?

    Yeah, is the DUI the one that involves alcohol, or is that DWI? I always get those two mixed up. :p

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    Anyway, I'll use the value of 25 minutes. There were over 734,000 people arrested for marijuana in 2000. 88% were for possession. So that's about 645,920 possession crimes.

    645920 x 25 minutes = 16,148,000 minutes.

    16,148,000 is about 269,133 hours.

    There are 365 days in a year (I'm gonna exclude leap year). 24 hours in a day.

    365 x 24 = 8,760 hours.

    269113 / 8760 = slightly over 30 years.

    So to sum up, the US police force spent the equivalent of 30 years of time doing the paperwork just for marijuana possession in the year 2000.

    That sure is a lot of lost time and money.
     
  6. Exo-Lithium

    Exo-Lithium Banned

    :eek: Wow, thats just.. over doing it.
     
  7. Niteshift

    Niteshift L.E.O. in Good Standing

    Comparing marijuana possession and DUI's is like comparing apples and oranges. Someone driving not sober is putting other innocent people at risk.

    I'm not comparing the two. I'm simply illustrating how this idea of "saving me time" is pretty bogus too.

    So to sum up, the US police force spent the equivalent of 30 years of time doing the paperwork just for marijuana possession in the year 2000.

    Nice set of calculations, but you forgot an important one............

    There were approx. 740,000 LEO's in the US in the year 2000.

    So your impressive sounding 16,148,000 minutes actually works out to an average of 21.8 minutes per officer per year.

    Presuming the officer works 50 weeks per year (2 weeks vacation), that is a whopping .43 minutes per WEEK per officer that will be freed up.

    What will I do with all that time? I spend more time deciding if I'll have the house blend or the French Roast.


    Bottom line to me: Make your case for legalization or decriminalization based on the issue. Don't try to use me and my "valuable time" as a crutch.
     
  8. CheebaMonkey

    CheebaMonkey Sr. Member

    No, no, no, no, no. That's not what I'm trying to do. I've read your posts here about how you don't spend much time on marijuana. I agree with that. What I'm simply pointing out is how much time is entirely spend spent on the paperwork for possession. Time is money.
     
  9. CheebaMonkey

    CheebaMonkey Sr. Member

    For example, from NORML
    EDIT

    269133 x how much a cop gets paid per hour = craploads of lost $$$.

    Ya might even have to throw in overtime pay sometimes because some cops voluntarily choose to work overtime. I was talking to a cop a long time ago, and he worked quite a bit of overtime.
     
  10. Niteshift

    Niteshift L.E.O. in Good Standing

    269133 x how much a cop gets paid per hour = craploads of lost $$$.

    Again, don't use me to "justify".

    If you want to figure it out, take into account that the prosecution expense, which are included in that number. Prosecuters (attorneys) get paid a lot more than we do. So do judges. Their office assistants make as much in most cases.

    Let's look at those "huge" numbers though:

    You said 90% are for possession.

    Possession arrests and prosecutions cost FAR less than an arrest and prosecution for cultivation or sale. So decriminalizing mere possession wouldn't equal a 90% reduction in the cost.

    Likewise, you're not adding back into the number fines paid and property seized. If you're going to analyze this like a business, you have to treat it all like a business and add them back in.

    Again, I hear you saying that you're not using my time to justify legalization, or the money spent. But it sure looks that way every time I see the post.

    You also have to
     
  11. CheebaMonkey

    CheebaMonkey Sr. Member

    Well, I never said decriminalization would reduce the costs by 90%. All I was mentioning is the paperwork for possession, and how much time it takes. I didn't talk about other more severe crimes (e.g. cultivation), because those are going to require more time than a simple possession charge. I don't have all the necessary information to guesstimate how much cultivation crimes cost. As you mentioned, property being sezied makes it more confusing.

    I'm not understanding by what you mean by 'don't use me to justify.' I'm not saying you're bad guys. I am simply going over how much time cops have to spend on paperwork for possession. I was trying to get an idea of how long a cop spends on the paperwork for possession, so I figured why not ask the LEO's at the boards. If you want me to use a different time I can. But if I had used that 2 hour time from "Julie" I would gotten a much larger number.

    And I didn't talk about courts and lawyers, because that just adds to the confusion, and I don't know how to calculate that. I dunno how many people go to court, how long it takes, how much people get paid, all that stuff.

    I shoulda mentioned a little more about the NORML link, because that doesn't only include possession costs.

    What I went over simply made a guesstimate at how much total time cops spend on possession. Hence, why the title of the thread is just about marijuana possession crimes and paperwork.
     

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