BartSimpson

Ah yes - argumentum ad hominem; never mind that I present evidence that smoking tobacco can significantly reduce your income potential, ability to achieve goals and significant position in life - just tell me I am ignorant and rude.

The only place I used the word ALL was in the medical evidence from research studies of tobacco that show it has the highest addiction rate of any substance. But what I do infer is that teenagers, like the OP, who have begun smoking weed and tobacco with the same attitude that they are above the law or can quit anytime soon find out that their addictive personality proves differently. It is you who is arguing with hyperbole and inferring that I said ALL smokers are of a lower class - when actually I said sub-class, as in subordinate class. Teenage smokers are of a class that is very predictable, and I'll use the OP as an example - already in trouble with the law (you don't go to lock-up for pot) and she can't imagine her life without weed for a couple of months. My guess is that her associates are not Honor Roll students.

I have no interest in your advice unless you have done better than me. My generalizations are because that is how one must write on a forum - unless you expect me to make note of every exception found on a Goggle Search regarding the topic, I am stuck with pithy statements to a general audience in the form of advice to a specific poster. Your inference to my Domestic Travel thread and participation in this forum is just silly - in my absence people would still think that they used drug dogs at TSA Security Checkpoints and the best way to hide your weed is in your shampoo bottle.

What you define as criticism, most adults will define as good sense. Like not taking up smoking weed or ciggs as a teenager, not putting your weed in your luggage (checked or carry-on) and not expecting that some violation of your Civil Rights is going to protect you from what you are guilty of doing. The OP was caught smoking weed, and she has other troubles that are getting her into the world of the subservient class.

Really, ask yourself if this OP is hanging with the Bad-Boy or the Nice-Guy - yet here complaining how unfair the system is to her. You know what this girl is doing.

Of course you do - but how many ciggs did you smoke while writing your reply.

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Since when is there evidence that Ciggs "ruin your life" and cause you to "not get ahead?" Again, you seem fine using this stereotype on cigg users but I'm sure you would be outraged, as you should, if someone would say mairjuana "ruins your life" and causes you to "not get ahead."


Did you not notice I also criticized MetallicaFan for telling him that it takes a year or two to get addicted to ciggs? However, I do believe that if the OP feeling the urge to smoke weed they smoke something else to fulfill the act of smoking. Whether you believe it or not, it does help and may save them from getting in further trouble with the law. The OP just has to be aware and look for any signs of addiction and STOP at that sign.

And what is the difference between lower and subordinate? Straight from MW: "to treat as of less value or importance." It's the same thing. Yes, the OP is a teenager. How can you criticize them for that? You may think you're helping, but something tells me you don't have much experience dealing with teenagers.

If you want to point out that some or a majority of smokers as a "sub-class", you can use words such as "many," "most," "some," "majority," and so on. It's not hard. Instead, you chose to speak like ciggs will slowly deteriorate their life like you have a crystal ball in your hand.

I'm not saying your advice is bad, and I think it's great you share your stories and knowledge to help forum members out. All I'm saying is just as you are looking down on cigg smokers, many people would look down on you for things like (a) putting yourself and your career in jeopardy by smoking marijuana and (b) putting yourself in further jeopardy by taking marijuana on an airline and through airport security. I'm not judging you, but a lot of other people probably would.

You can make sense without putting someone down. Nobody likes to be put down, and I think you'll find your advice will be received more openly if you refrain from using such a tone in your writing. People, ESPECIALLY teenagers, do not react well to this type of advice and would rather receive if from someone with a more comforting, friendly approach.

And no matter what you say, things like smoking weed and smoking ciggs DO NOT define a person. Their actions, values, and everyday practices do. I don't see how you can think otherwise.

For a toker yourself, you seem to put down your own kind an awful lot. Who cares who she hangs out with? Her situation DOES suck and the bottom line is she SHOULDN'T be prosecuted for smoking marijuana. So, yes, I'd call that pretty UNFAIR.

Sorry, I don't smoke ciggs, I just believe in fairness and respecting others.

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29yeartoker

I don't normally get involved in this forum to often. After reading this response I feel compelled to do so. So here goes.....

That is totally unfair and I hope you are prepared for being sued one day. You never know it just may happen.

I smoke and I will not accept a lessor wage because I know what I am capable of. Just because I smoke does not mean that I am less knowledgeable than a non-smoker or worried about getting my next smoke break. I am responsible enough to not smoke weed at work so I think I could be responsible enough to get my work done without worrying about when I will have a smoke break. Now, in my state we have laws in place that in an 8 hour day we are to have at least a 30 minute lunch break and two 15 minute breaks throughout the day. Most employers give an hour lunch to avoid the breaks. So I think there are flaws with your theory. There maybe some people that fit into your category but you can't fairly place every smoker in that category.

Wow, you really could be missing out on that exceptional employee in management that could possibly make you more money than anyone ever has, but I guess that's ok as long as they don't smoke.


I agree that it wouldn't be wise to substitute cigs for weed. If you don't have the habit don't start it. I have smoked weed for 33 years. I know I can put it down and walk away from it anytime I want as I have done so many times in the past. Cigs are a different story.

Rebellion......I think it's pretty commom for teenagers of that age to go through that. Maybe not all kids but many.

Edit: Abby, it's only 6 months, it's not like it's forever. All I can say is suck it up and deal with it. It will be over before you know it.

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Cosmic_Smoke

I was on probation before. Do you know whether its supervised or not? If you on unsupervised probation you wont be tested or anything by a po, its basically the judge saying don't get arrested again. I was on supervised probation, meaning I got tested at least every other week. There really isn't that much you can do. Just wait the six months, you might have a couple opertunities from time to time, like if you po has to leave state for training or somthing, but other than that just play it safe, and once your done those six months will seem like nothing.