joshpackr

1. It's hard for me to believe all this is just a matter of chance.
2. There have been times in my life that I know something supernatural helped me through
3. I find certain pieces of information in the Holy Bible to be a little too coincidental
4. I feel in my heart that God does exist
5. I feel a warm presence in a some churches that tell me that yes God is real

That's a few of the reasons. I don't live my life right and my maker isn't pleased with me but I don't deny that God exists.

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Dudeimanoldfart

How did this thread get to three pages already when Audio clearly foretold the future lol?? But everyone's entitled to their opinion...

But you guys are right, two individuals went nuts and now we have 6.794 billion people in the world within 6,000 years. They did good...

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MemphisBBQ

By reading some of these threads i see an example of pluralistic ignorance, a case where "no one believes, but everyone thinks that everyone believes". There are many misconceptions about christians: Christians believe everyone who does not believe in God goes to hell, christians believe the earth is only 6000 years old etc etc.
Another misconception that bugs me is the whole "Christians are ignorant and simply use God as a crutch"

This is not true, many christians believe in God because of the personal relationship or connection they feel, others believe in God to have fulfillment. These christians (normal people, like you and me) have at many points in their lives questioned their own beliefs, some less than others. They usually find some kind of reasoning to rationalize why something happened, just like you.

You're making these assumptions but there are far too many who don't believe in these things also. Plenty of christians see the bible as symbolic, for example: Einstein says time is relative, who's to say, that if there is a God, a day for him could be 6 billion for us? After all, if he's God, then i don't see why not. I don't necessarily have my mind set on this, this is just simply an example.

To be honest when it comes down to it, we don't know where any of this came from. An explosion you say? How? The universe was born when? Did it just come to be also? was it the formation of dust or gases? Where did those gases come from? So on and so on. The same goes for both arguements, the concept of there being a creator behind the whole thing just appeals to me more. After all, what is logic? What is reason? They are simply ideas that we have created and added syllables to, after all, truth is just what we PERCEIVE as real, this may all very well be an illusion.

In my opinion we do not understand enough about humanity and this planet to understand where we came from or why we are here. We still have so much to learn.

We're all people here, atheists are no better than anyone else and vice versa. I've seen atheists cheat, lie and steal aswell as i have christians. Let's get these ideas of superiority and inferiority out of our heads and contemplate the possibilities of our belief systems rather than continue debating a question that may very well never find an answer.

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SmokeyMcPott

We're the renegades of search!

Seriously though, I'm getting tired of all these threads that keep popping up about evidence of god and god this and god that. There will always be people who believe in god. There will always be people who don't. All of these people feel the way the do because of human nature. It's in our nature to wonder where we came from. It's in our nature to want to feel comforted and like there is a definite plan. It's in out nature to question authority and the present paradigms. Maybe each of us is god, and we have created our whole lives in front of ourselves from the very beginning. Or maybe the only way god exists is in the minds and words of people who talk about it. Who gives a shit at this point? Why bother wasting precious cognitive resources in a debate that cannot ever be proven either way? Wouldn't it be in man's best interest to focus on more pressing matters, such as the current state of the world and where we're heading, rather than how it all got here and who's responsible? Wouldn't it be more "christian" to give away money to charities rather than fund frivolous expeditions to find Noah's Ark and the Ark of the Covenant, and build huge overly-elaborate buildings to honor god? The same goes for science. There's a lot of money science wastes on killing machines and destructive technology that could have paid for humanity's next few steps forward, and superficial bullshit that makes society the lazy cultural cesspool it has become. I'd be more accepting of the church, not necessarily the faith, but the principles behind it, if it weren't mostly about control and being right about everything.

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vvicked0471

No one can prove the existence of God, nor can anyone disprove his existence.

As for this:
Although this is about the weakest argument for belief in God that I have ever heard, it's also the most common.

Sadly, most people who use it don't even realize that, by Christian standards, those who believe for the reason above will end up in hell right along side those despicable atheists.

Lets all take a ride on the Christian logic roller coaster! Be careful though, you may get dizzy as it only runs in circles...

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strutinshizz

Personally i dont believe in god as the christians describe god...
For me god is the universe it is everything it is the laws of phisics its what made big bang happen... but my god might just be an equation but its not something i rely on when im feeling down.
Thats the only good thing i see in religion is that it comforts people when something bad happens or when they´re feeling down...
But i also think that the Cristian God is impossible to exist like they say he does, they say that god is omnipotent and good right? Then why is there evil? Because if he is omnipotent and just decides not to abolish evil so he is not good, or he is good but he cant abolish evil so he is not omnipotent, and even like Einstein put it "Would God ever be able to make a rock so heavy he would not be able to lift it?" so basically even the term omnipotent is impossible making the christian god impossible to exist.
And still on top of all of that they say that god treats everybody like his children, would you put your son in hell? It´s just common sense and a bit of questioning, another defect of the Catholic faith is they try to keep they´re "believers" stupid, by telling them that they would never understand god so just do not think about it just accept it.

So really did God create humans or did Humans create God?

EDIT: I am not trying to deny the catholic beliefs, i´m just giving my opinion

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FreddyC

I'm sort of with you on that. Gods of religion, I can't get along with. Too contradictory. And often, just too unbelievable. Most religions come down to one man being given instructions from God and then that person telling everyone else. If it was so friggin' important, why didn't God make it available to everyone, so everyone could have a REAL choice?

But, I know, I know.....God explaining his will to me would be like me explaining television to an ant......

It's likely that energy and matter somehow blew up and sent shit flying for billions of mile and billions of years and this is what we have. That energy and matter, may as well be the creator (God, if you will). I guess I'll find out for sure when I die......

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I would never believe in a man-made god for the simple fact that religion is a business! "god" is simply the CEO of a crumbling empire that uses fear to keep it's employees in line.

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Droxx

I don't really care if you don't believe in God, and if you don't want to accept God as something that exists (I can take that from your opening post as you refer to logic and reasoning a lot), then that's your decision, do whatever makes you happiest, I believe in God, not any God that any person has named yet, my personal God, and from that belief spawns other ideas and values that I get from that.

In turn it has made me a much happier person, which has made me a nicer person, which has made people nicer to me, which has made me even happier and the cycle continues. Of course this might only just be for me, do whatever feels right, I'm not a person who uses logic a lot, if I have to make a leap of faith without reasoning and it makes me a better person, why screw that up with logic? Anyway I digress, God can make you very happy, God can make you very sad... just depends on the person.

strutinshizz

Thats why i think religion can be good if it makes somebody happy and more selfconfident even if its based on something that doesnt exist (not saying it doesnt exist) it does actually do some good, and it also brings people together creating a comunity and also makes families stronger.
And you can notice that comparing most of catholic europe with the US its so much more family orientated.